I am SO over supplements this and supplements that ! Whilst there are some decent supplements out there, you DONT need them to get into great shape or look the part. Yes that's right, you DONT need them. We all know those flogging supplements have a profit agenda. Again, I repeat, you do NOT need supplements to grow, to get into shape or too look great. Correct nutrition plus correct exercise regime equals results, it's really that f%#n simple !! Hold on to your money, let the so called supplement merchant blowhards talk all they like and promote all they like, you simply DONT need them ! After years of listening to all the supplement BS and reading all the supplement BS, I've tried everything out there, and still, the best shape Ive ever been in was gained without any legal supplements. As a side-note, remember, if the supplement name sounds like a wank, it IS a wank ! No one out there gives a f%#k about you and your shape, especially not the supplement merchants. To quote Tony Soprano in one of his classic Soprano scenes : "It's ALWAYS about the motherf%#king money" !!!!