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Offline DanOz

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Beginners Thread
« on: November 17, 2007, 08:29:48 PM »
The Beginners Thread is the place for everyone starting out or even thinking about starting out weights training to post their questions. This includes anything from how to perform exercises correctly, what exercises might best help you achive your goals, sets and reps, programs - absolutely anything at all.

There are a host of experienced people on this site that are more than willing to give you advice, including competitive bodybuilders and powerlifters. People new to weights training would benefit greatly from using the knowledge these people have to offer. It is a far better proposition than trying to learn the lifting game from magazines etc, or people who often have the best of intentions but whose advice can be a little erratic or downright misguided.

The idea behind this thread is that there is no such thing as a stupid question. We all had to start somewhere, and this thread is designed to point you in the right direction and help you avoid making common training mistakes and put you on the path to achieving your goals. 
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 02:48:58 PM »
ok where to start,,ive been going to the gym for a while now but im still a beginner i have no idea really to be honest and im sick of going to the gym and getting instruction off the personal trainers they are against squatting and deadlifting at my gym and theres no one there to really let me know if my forms correct or show me how to perform the exercise properly,,i want to get the maximum benefit i can out of lifting weights and at the moment im getting nothing really which is not good for my motivation or attitude, my diet is fairly good i eat as much clean food as i can per day and i try and have around 200 grams of protein per day,,i dont do any cardio besides ride my pushbike to the gym 4 days per week, i have put on a bit of weight with my diet and protein intake and thats what i wanted now i just need some guidence on how to turn this weight into something i want which is muscle,,im sick of the pts giving me routines that are mostly isolation exercises which dont seem to be doing shit all for me , im weighing in at around 107 kgs at the moment im 6ft5 so i look pretty thin,,anyway i guess im asking for somone to put me in the right direction as to a routine,,i know that compounds are the way to go but how often in a week would i do squats ,,deads and rows ectt im looking at doing 4 days per week, i probably sound stupid to you guys but it frustrates me going to the gym 4 days a week busting my ass with no real results and im sick of my pts at the gym giving me arm curls and trying to tell me to go on the chest press machines ectt when they write me a program,,the only compund exercises im doing at the moment are bench press and squatting and i get whinged at if i dont squat in the smith machine (because its dangerous) ,,anyway any help appreciated guys and girls i need all i can get

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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 06:34:51 PM »
Hey Steve,

I'm sorry to hear your experience with the PT's has not been good. You need to see results with your training to keep motivated there is no doubt of that, but as you are aware, it takes time. Have a look at Lyle McDonald's piece which is a sticky here in the Articles section - I think it is an excellent read. Fantastic to hear that you want to learn how to do the lifts correctly - this will be the key to you achieving results & staying injury free as much as humanly possible.

What I would recommend to anyone in your position is to pick yourself up a copy of Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe - check out Amazon.com to get hold of it. It is a comprehensive book that will teach you in detail how to perform the compound lifts, and arm you with the knowledge to answer the PT's with informed responses as to the safety & effectiveness of the exercises you have chosen to do. Google Mark Rippetoe & explore his credentials, and then hit the PT's with informed questions of your own demanding they justify the stupidity of squatting in a Smith Machine etc if you so desire. Knowledge is power IMO - you should know the reasons for the way you train, the program you have chosen, the exercises you have selected etc.

I know this is anecdotal, & have posted something similiar in another thread, but a friend of mine began training with me at the start of the year. He had no prior lifting experience & basicly put his trust in me to point him in the right direction. He learned the squat, deadlift, bench, military press, pendlay rows, and used pull ups & dips as his arm work. He did high rep Roman Chair Sit Ups alternated with Hyper Extensions every session to strengthen the core.   

The result was he built a solid base with noticable size improvements and major strength increases. He looks like a different guy, & more importantly, he looks to be a much happier person due to his achievements IMO. Now the foundations have been built, he is introducing direct arm work & other isolation type movements, but they are secondary to the continued compound movements which make up the basis for his training.

The Starting Strength program itself is a simple, 3 x week fullbody routine. A summary of it is posted here in the Beginners Section, & also in the Training Section. It is basic, but will serve you well up until the point where you can't keep increasing the weight on the bar every session. If your focus is on good form, which it should be, you will start with lighter weights & work up, so this program should give you months of progression. If you choose not to do Starting Strength, I would recommend something in this spirit fousing on compound lifts to build you a base for any other training you might choose to do in the future. Once you have packed on some size & increased your strength, you can focus or specialise as you choose, but the compounds should be the meat & bones of any program IMO.
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 07:05:14 PM »
thanks for your reply dan i think ill give ripptoes a go for sure i definately need to get my strength up to scratch, i think ill just take things slow and concentrate on correct form and start off with quiet low weights

im off to google mark rippetoe now

thx again mate
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2008, 08:54:49 PM »
hi all

im currently training for a triathlon which involves doing running / cycling/ swimming 3 times a week each.

I would like to include 2 day lifts as well to maintain some sort of core strength. Ive been lifting on and off for a good couple of years now (maybe around 4 years).

Could i get some feedback on the following? Iam focusing on high volume, low-mid weight. I believe this is more appropriate for endurance / stamina.

Day 1
Squats . 15 reps x 3
Dumbbell Lunges 15x 2
seated cable row 12 x 2
Seat straight bar lat pull down 12 x 2

Day 2
Bench press 10 x 2
skull crushers 15 x 2
Standing Dumbbell military press 15 x 2
rear delt machine 15 x 2
Deadlift 12 x 2

Dont have much of a clue if im the right track with this one. Im more used to 5 day splits low volume max weights. Would really appreciate feedback from the experienced folk here.

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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 02:15:40 PM »
Not real sure how high volume fits in with triathlon training recovery wise. Hopefully someone else can give you some advice. How is it going so far?
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 07:09:27 AM »
Edit: I think that I found my answer. It seems that someone that is as untrained as me -will- experience fat loss as well as muscle gains for the 1st 6 months or so of training. After that it seems that it is more one or the other. So I am going to work hard and enjoy it while it lasts then decide where to go after that 6-month window has elapsed.

I have been doing Rippetoe's for a month and a half now and the gains are amazing. My question is regarding my diet.

I want to put on muscle and lose fat. I do not care about losing weight, I just care about losing fat. I am 6'0" and about 2 months ago I was 240lbs. As of this morning I am 228. Since I started Rippetoe's I have been on a semi-strict diet. I eat right around 2200 calories/day with a good portion of that coming from about 200g of protein. I am staying away from fast food for the most part and doing most of my cooking at home with good, healthy foods. Is this going to be too few calories for good muscle gains? Am I cheating myself out of better muscular gains by not taking in enough calories? If I eat too much I feel like my workout was all for not.

I am still seeing weekly gains. I put on 5lbs/week at a minimum to each lift. I am not overly tired or worn out as I imagine I would be if I were not taking in enough.

I understand that losing fat while gaining muscle can be very difficult. I am getting much stronger while losing weight (again I dont care about losing weight just losing fat) so something must be going right. Ideally I would like to lose this spare tire I have going on while continuing to gain strength. Once I am satisfied with the fat loss and I want to then add much more muscle mass. My body has the tendency to put on both muscle and/or fat rapidly so I am trying to be cautious.
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2009, 06:48:05 PM »
I did a modfied version of Starting Strength A couple of months ago.  What i did was:

Workout A
Squats
Bench press
Deadlifts

Workout B
Squats
Seated Military Press
Barbell Rows

I stopped doing it because I stuffed my knee up.  The most I can squat now is the bar.  I would like to go back to SS but as I cant squat im not sure what to do?  Ever since going off SS I have done shit workouts as in my mind I have the beginners arrogance which I cant shake "my programs are better than yours".

Anyway any suggestions would be good as to where to from here.

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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 07:15:38 PM »
Is this going to be too few calories for good muscle gains? Am I cheating myself out of better muscular gains by not taking in enough calories? If I eat too much I feel like my workout was all for not.

I am still seeing weekly gains. I put on 5lbs/week at a minimum to each lift. I am not overly tired or worn out as I imagine I would be if I were not taking in enough.

I understand that losing fat while gaining muscle can be very difficult. I am getting much stronger while losing weight (again I dont care about losing weight just losing fat) so something must be going right.

Sounds like you are on track to me - if it aint broke don't fix it.
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 07:34:15 AM »
I did a modfied version of Starting Strength A couple of months ago.  What i did was:

Workout A
Squats
Bench press
Deadlifts

Workout B
Squats
Seated Military Press
Barbell Rows

I stopped doing it because I stuffed my knee up.  The most I can squat now is the bar.  I would like to go back to SS but as I cant squat im not sure what to do?  Ever since going off SS I have done shit workouts as in my mind I have the beginners arrogance which I cant shake "my programs are better than yours".

Anyway any suggestions would be good as to where to from here.



Im thinking of replacing squats with deadlifts.

Workout A
Deadlifts
Bench press
**Rolling triceps extensions** <-- No specific set or rep range ill do them until fatigued
**Front raises** & **Side raises** <-- No specific set or rep range ill do them until fatigued

Workout B
Deadlifts
Seated Military Press
Barbell Rows


If anyone comes up with anything better let me know, thanks.

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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 09:20:38 AM »

Im thinking of replacing squats with deadlifts.

Workout A
Deadlifts
Bench press
**Rolling triceps extensions** <-- No specific set or rep range ill do them until fatigued
**Front raises** & **Side raises** <-- No specific set or rep range ill do them until fatigued

Workout B
Deadlifts
Seated Military Press
Barbell Rows


If anyone comes up with anything better let me know, thanks.


Sorry, only just saw this. Deadlifting every workout would be too much for most - once per week is usually the volume most can tolerate.

What happened to your knee? Why are you able to deadlift which still involves a great deal of leg drive yet not squat?

Alot of the time, form is the cause of squat related knee issues, mainly not starting the squat with your arse moving backwards, and also knees coming in towards each other.
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 10:38:04 AM »
Describe your stance when squatting.
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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 02:09:36 PM »
Knee injury doing Tae Kwan Do when it happened there was a very loud snap.  I thought i broke my leg compound style but i didnt.  I dislocated my kneecap and tore muscle, cartelige tendons you name it it got fucked.

Shoulder width with my feet pointed at 45 degree angle sorta.

I have the book starting Strength 2nd edition and have read up about squating.  I have also checked out A heap of instructional vids.  I videoed myself and couldnt see anything wrong. 

I would love to be able to squat it is my second favourite exercise of all time!

I hope all my jibberish makes sense.

 

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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 09:05:36 PM »
I went to a personal trainer today to check on my form. 

best $15 i ever spent.

i should be ok now... hopefully

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Re: Beginners Thread
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 11:01:34 PM »
I went to a personal trainer today to check on my form. 

best $15 i ever spent.

i should be ok now... hopefully

15 is great price.  :thumbsup: